altex v Tõnu Samuel part 2 (lõpp)
Monday, November 2, 2009 16:25 by Robin Gurney8 days ago on a Sunday morning I met Tõnu Samuel in a Tartu café and showed him various documentation plus we discussed a number of the unsubstantiated allegations and rumours about altex and spamming.
Since then we have sent him further documentation he requested.
Following this were a couple of emails and yesterday a breakthrough phone conversation.
As a result Tõnu agreed to withdraw his posts about altex.
I would like to thank him publicly for taking the time to look deeper and to review his position and agree to take down his posts.
For us the matter is now closed and we are pleased also to announce that subject to final confirmation that Tõnu has also agreed to speak at e!Späm next March. (edit: correction nov 3: it seems I misunderstood Tõnu. he will not speak at e!späm. See comments below)
As I stated in my original post about the legal case:
“..we actually approve of what Tõnu is trying to do in that we agree that spammers should be named, shamed and, where possible, prosecuted.”
We will, as a result of this issue, work harder in the fight against spam because actions speak louder than words and for provoking that I owe Tõnu thanks.
We support Tõnu’s blog and encourage him to focus his fight against the real and persistent spammers in Estonia and we will support him how we can.
Aivar says:
November 2nd, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Great news!
Tõnu Samuel says:
November 3rd, 2009 at 12:53 pm
I didn’t agree to speak anywhere.
Robin Gurney says:
November 3rd, 2009 at 1:23 pm
I obviously misunderstood Tõnu, my apologies.
I hope you reconsider, I am sure many people would enjoying hearing what you have to say.
The door is open.
Jaanus Karu says:
November 11th, 2009 at 10:52 am
And today i received a spam e-mail through epostel.eu which belongs to someone called “Altex Marketing Oü”. If you will prosecute everyone who calls you a spammer, then what should we call you?
Robin Gurney says:
November 11th, 2009 at 11:31 am
@jaanus pls report the details of this to meelis@altex.ee
The terms of usage of epostel clearly state people can only use it to send to opt in lists.
If someone has breached this rule then their account will be terminated.
We have to trust clients to follow the rules but if they don’t then we kick them out.
Jaanus Karu says:
November 11th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
You have to think of something more preemptive than terms of usage if you offer a service that allows free registration of accounts for sending spam (at least so it seems). How will that help if their free account is terminated? Someone will register a free account tomorrow and send spam again.
The spam in question:
From: Heli Vahing
Subject: Jõululaulude plaat - kingituseks
Date: 11. november 2009 1:01:42 GMT+02:00
Tere,
On hea meel pakkuda võimalust tellida sümpaatne jõulukingitus - eestikeelsete jõululaulude plaat, mille esikaant ehtimas Teie ettevõtte logo.
Heli Vahing - Jõululaulud
Igihaljad ja tuntud jõululaulud nagu “Läbi sahiseva lume”, “Püha öö”, “Valged jõulud” jpt. on saanud ülimalt meeldiva kuue.
Plaat pakub ka palju üllatusi kaasategevate muusikute ning lugude seadete näol.
Plaadil musitseerivad, teiste seas Toomas Lunge, Andres Dvinjaninov, Sven Kullerkupp, Erki Aavik.
Täpsema info plaadil olevate lugude ja plaadil musitseerivate pillimeeste kohta leiate SIIT. Samas on võimalik kuulata ka paari näidislugu samalt plaadilt.
Plaate trükitakse operatiivselt vastavalt soovitud kogusele.
Plaadi hind on 88 EEK.
Tellimiseks palume täita tellimisvorm SIIN või võtta ühendust plaadi väljaandjaga e-maili teel: heli.vahing@gmail.com
Jaanus Karu says:
November 11th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
And by the way, i see nothing in the way of terms of service that would even mildly discourage sending spam on http://www.epostel.eu
Meelis says:
November 12th, 2009 at 9:59 am
“And by the way, i see nothing in the way of terms of service that would even mildly discourage sending spam on http://www.epostel.eu”
We have a very strong policy towards list usage - it’s displayed before you can add any addresses/lists to your account (not before registering for obvious reasons - people tend to forget).
Yes, you can register a free account but the sending limit is 25 emails per send (and no more than 250 emails per month), so I don’t think spam is an issue here.
BTW: we have investigated and decided to terminate Heli Vahing FIE’s account. Thank you for reporting this to us.